Your Honor, in this case it is — there are three patents. Now, the test that we ask the Court to announce on remand. But, Justice Alito, you asked how similar are we to the government’s test? The burden is on the plaintiff to show damages. But I have a question on the general issue, which I think is tough. August 18, 2012: Filing 1828 Tentative Final Jury Instructions - Part … Thank you, counsel. The — the test — and I want to agree with Your Honor. On appeal, Samsung argued that the district court erred in allowing the jury to award damages based on Samsung’s entire profits, rather than the fraction of profits directly attributable to the infringed patents themselves. And the district court said, I forbade apportionment. Well, I — then I think if you’re skeptical about that, I think our test for article of manufacture also lets some of those considerations play into that test, because it gets to whether there are other conceptually distinct invasions, or other components of the product unrelated to the design. Obviously, it’s not a transistor or some circuit or the software. The reason why design patencies carve the product up into multiple partial design claims is so they can make a narrow infringement argument and find a little sliver of the phone on which infringement can be found, and it’s inappropriate to give total profit when they do that. That that’s what a jury has to be told to do, to decide how much value the design is to the product being sold. But second, we read the court of appeals’ opinion to have held that the relevant article of manufacture for which profits are owed is always the entire product that the infringer sells to customers. And then you say this component is 10 percent of the cost and 20 percent of the revenue, and we — we do a bottom-up calculation and try to do it that way. And in the 50B at the close of the first trial, we again said article is less than the phone. "On 9th July 2012 the High Court of Justice of England and Wales ruled that Samsung Electronics (UK) Limited's Galaxy Tablet computers, namely the Galaxy Tab 10.1, Tab 8.9 and Tab 7.7 do not infringe Apple's registered design 000181607-0001. apple vs samsung. The first is — the antecedent question is identify the relevant article of manufacture. Oct 9, 2013 Oct 9, 2013 They have a lot of different cases which they base the standard on, and they come to the conclusion, which is a little vague, but that the design where it’s been applied to only part — it’s on page 23 — of a multicomponent product and does not drive demand for the entire product, the article of manufacture is rightly considered to be only the component to which the design applies. And that, she wouldn’t allow him to do because that was apportionment. What they did is they went back into history. Mr. Fletcher, could you speak about this VW Bug example, because as — as I understand Ms. Sullivan’s answer, she said, well, that distinctive appearance, that distinctive shape, it’s just — it’s still — the article is only the body of the car. Oct 24, 2017 1:57AM EDT. %��������� And the general question that I have is I have been looking for a standard. The Solicitor General has proposed a test with four factors to determine the article question. That result makes no sense. And when the witnesses got on to talk about infringement, they didn’t say the whole phone, the look and feel. What if it cost $18,000? Apple Inc. appeals from an order of the U.S. District Court for the Northern District of California denying Apple's request for a permanent injunction against Samsung Electronics Company, Ltd., Samsung Electronics America, Inc., and Samsung Telecommunications America, LLC (collectively, “Samsung”). This is what they were arguing, and they put on an expert that gave total profits. So, Your Honor, if there had been a design patent on the entire case, then, yes, absolutely, Apple could have tried to get total profit on the entire case. The district court ordered a partial retrial on the issue of damages … Do you endorse that part of the government’s test? Under your hypo, what — if Apple got almost all its profits from the exterior case, people were indifferent to whether they could read their e-mail, navigate, take photos, or any other functions. Published. APPLE INC. v. SAMSUNG ELECTRONICS CO., LTD. 786 F.3d 983 (CAFC 2015) PROST, Chief Judge. So, Justice Kennedy, our test is very simple. What happened is we went to the court and we said please listen to us about article of manufacture, if you only get the total profit on the article. The patents on the handle, but nobody really cares about the sipping cup of the spoon. Now, they could if they had, if they had wanted to, suggested to the jury no, no, no, the relevance —. And you would — but that’s just one way. What if it, you know, costs, I think, $1800 when it was first sold in the United States? And — and you say, no, there’s a real question as to whether it is being — the design is being applied to the car itself. We propose that you look to two factors: The design in the patent and the accused product. 7,675,941, 7,447,516, 7,698,711, 7,577,460, and 7,456,893. Why is that? And may I just add one other point which I think is still on track. Discover the innovative world of Apple and shop everything iPhone, iPad, Apple Watch, Mac, and Apple TV, plus explore accessories, entertainment, and expert device support. I’d have the iPhone in the jury room; I’d — I’d look at it. Co., 909 F.Supp.2d 1147 (N.D.Cal.2012) (“Injunction Order ”). So how would you go about thinking about that question, or how is a fact-finder supposed to, and under what instructions? Could I really quickly make sure I understand that, that in other words, you’re — you’re saying we should only look to what an article of manufacture is and not your other argument that there should be apportionment as to any particular article of manufacture. We’re pressing here, as you all you need to resolve the case, that a jury should be instructed that total profit must be profit derived from the article of manufacture to which the design has been applied. Is that — is your answer to her, adequately summarized, the test that you propose at page 9 of your brief relevant considerations include? Consumers may value the front face because it’s scratch-resistant, because it’s water-resistant, because it’s shatterproof. In other words, as the government’s brief says, can the user or the seller physically separate it, or is it manufactured separately. And to be clear, I’m now stressing our article-of-manufacture argument, not the causation argument we gave as an alternative. 2012) Court Description: ORDER GRANTING-IN-PART 895 Apple's Motion for an Adverse Inference Jury Instruction, by Judge Paul S. Grewal (psglc2, COURT STAFF) (Filed on 7/25/2012). The question for the jury was did the very small portion of a smartphone that Samsung makes look substantially similar to the very small portion of the patent claim? I see my time is expired. I think that’s the statute — the way the statute reads. Well, it’s applied — Justice — Mr. Chief justice, it’s always applied to the outside of an article. And his report then said, well, but I believe that only 1 percent of the value of the phone is due to the design or the design of the iconic front face of the phone. What other — what — what word would you use to describe your approach? I think the — the difficulty here is that it’s important to understand that design is not a component and the patented design is not the article of manufacture. The — we know from Samsung’s own documents in this case, for example, that are recounted in our brief, Samsung realized that it faced what this executive called a crisis of design. Justice Breyer, this is not a difficult — the record in this case is not difficult. At JA197 we again said article is less than the phone. Second trial happens on certain phones. What is the thing, the article of manufacture, to which the design is applied for purposes of sale in order to give it a distinctive and pleasing appearance. Then how do — how would you determine the profit attributable to the relevant article of manufacture? I’m not going to the — I’m sticking with the test. Apple Inc. appeals an order from of the U.S. District Court for the Northern District of California denying Apple’s request for a permanent injunctionagainst Sa m-sung Electronics Company, Ltd., Samsung Electronics America, Inc., and Samsung Telecommunications Ameri-ca, LLC (collectively, “Samsung”). Because the entire outside of a Samsung phone does not look substantially similar to the entire outside of a Samsung phone. Oct. 11, 2012), the Federal Circuit held that the district court abused its discretion by entering a preliminary injunction and that it erroneously construed the terms of an asserted claim. Now, why can’t we just ask the lower courts to listen to your arguments and theirs, and work it out? Now, the difficulty with that — I mean, I think that’s what courts have generally done. The same way that — I mean, if you look at, for example, in the early days, when the patent — when the design — when design patents were first permitted by statute in 1842, the first hundred — of the first hundred patents that were issued, 55 of them were for stoves and furnaces and steam engines and things like that. Apple Inc. v. Samsung Electronic Co., Ltd. was the first of a series of ongoing lawsuits between Apple Inc. and Samsung Electronics regarding the design of smartphones and tablet computers; between them, the companies made more than half of smartphones sold worldwide as … Your Honor, we’re talking about design patents, not trademark or copyright. So you must remand and tell the nation’s economy that no one can claim a partial design patent on a portion of a front face of an electronic device and come in and get the entire profits on the phone. Apple Inc. is an American multinational technology company headquartered in Cupertino, California, that designs, develops and sells consumer electronics, computer software, and online services.It is considered one of the Big Five companies in the U.S. information technology industry, along with Amazon, Google, Microsoft, and Facebook.. We’re going to give the patent-holder under our article-of-manufacture test all the profits for the front face, even if it includes profit from those non-design features of the front face, where the pure apportionment test or pure causation test would limit the profits to the profits from the design parts rather than the functional parts. Thank you very much, Your Honor. If you read the Federal Circuit’s decision, they were saying people buy — bought this product mostly — this was their argument to the jury and it sold the Federal Circuit — because of the look of this phone, that, you know, all smartphones basically function the same. And the jury has to decide in the case of the VW Beetle that you have either a cup-holder or a patented hubcap, or the iconic shape of the car, I think that a jury could very well conclude that because someone who sees the iconic shape of a VW Beetle and buys it thinks that they are buying the Beetle, that is, after all the reason why the infringer copied it. And we were shut down over and over again on that. And you know that brief I’m talking about on Facebook and some others. It’s an — it’s a — it’s a question of either fact or, as you said in Markman, a mongrel question of law and fact. Mr. Waxman, we’re spending an awful lot of time on an issue about what was raised below, what wasn’t raised below, what was raised below, what wasn’t raised. Apple was awarded $399 million in damages—Samsung’s entire profit from the sale of its infringing smartphones. Is that because the district judge limited them? Sometimes you — you might try to build up the share of the profits from the bottom up by saying, what’s the cost of each of these components, and then what share of the revenue is attributable to each of these components. And second, what is the product to which it has been applied? 7,469,381, 7,844,915, and 7,864,163) and four design patents (United States Patent Nos. website. The second question is quantum of profits. FOR ONLY $13.90/PAGE, Aronson v. Quick Point Pencil Company – Oral Argument – December 06, 1978, Reno v. ACLU – Oral Argument – March 19, 1997, Planned Parenthood of Southeastern Pennsylvania v. Casey, Tinker v. Des Moines Independent Community School District, GET YOUR CUSTOM ESSAY So when you say what it’s applied to, you’re not talking about it in terms of the physical world, so what is — what are you talking about? 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