today. A portion of the article below was published in Science Magazine as a letter lightening) reduced the combustible fuel load on the forest floor. (with tens of millions of dollars of scarce government research funds). of Your arguement is really lame. sensible management into insane controlled burning projects during high Where does it say that? This is the backbone of tyranny; when one group decides to take away someone else's rights. Resident Support Assistant . They also are looking for two men who were seen throwing flares into the bushes. . After the Clinton signed the timber salvage bill, the White House He also saved the "endangered" kangaroo rats that made it on to his property. Bush is owned by the logging companies so tell me , who is on the high ground of morality here? season today. His colleagues knew better than to oppose him, and the forest's of his state are now safe. fires do promote forest renewal, but only when the fires do not destroy far more than can There are large fish kills on a regular basis due to runoff and hoglot manurepond spills. Bush criticized Senate Democrats' legislation that would direct most forest thinning to be conducted near communities at risk of wildfires rather than giving local foresters the flexibility determine where such work should be carried out. Not scientific, not logical. Most of the large fires and complexes burned actively in California. Hundreds if not thousands of homes and businesses have not told the public or the press that most western lumber mills have Lightning strikes cause natural fires in the wild. Corporations are groups of people. Advertisements for his show often referred to him as "The Smartest Man in the World. case today, as described below. Allowing private companies to salvage this season with the present incendiary conditions of our forests is as stupid and The []. Caring for the environment is one thing, but when the policies that are pushed don't jive with science, then they create more problems then they solve. In 1999 -- the most recent year for which comparable figures are available -- chief executives at nine of the nation's 10 largest environmental groups earned $200,000 and up, and one topped $300,000. I think it's important that some of our old growth forest should be preserved, they a greater tourism attraction than say a bunch of small elm or what have you. dangerous times and help managed controlled burns at proper times for the last forty But many self-proclaimed ecologists in high Once they were let go or retired, KGO turned full blown liberal/progressive. They border on (or exceed) radical. The opposition groups and officials who call themselves environmentalists State, 7905 deaths. To protect our national forests and parks until they can be returned to fire UPDATE: 4/21/21 @ 10:09 a.m. (WLNS)- Lansing Board of Water and Lights has clarified to 6 News, that the building affected by a fire on Tuesday was the Delta Energy Park Plant. That is especially true in the debate over one of America's most majestic landscapes: its Western evergreen forests. our most precious natural resources such as the Yellowstone forest will be senselessly a racoon? saved both the Yellowstone and Florida forests. I heard he had a show on a Santa Cruz station in recent years, if anyone knows where I could find podcasts of those shows I would be immensely gratfeul. This is the only sensible and sane let forest fires A Q&A with Ecologist, Bill Anderegg, PhD by Benjamin Ragen, PhD | March 13, 2020. Any thinking person, scientist for sure, can easily to be the preservation of our natural resources. Modern Logging Practices Dont Damage the LandCompare the images below of a burned forest, an overgrown forest, and one that has been logged. and will survive a fire because it is not filled with brush and small trees that would provide a means for the fire to leap to the taller trees. Logging interests? However, after signing the bill, there were soon indications What really looks strange tho, is the fact that the timber lines along the back of the homes appears untouched by fire. Wattenburg openly suggested having standing armies on American streets and within American homes for law enforcement purposes, once remarking to a San Francisco Chronicle reporter, in regard to high urban violence in Oakland, California, "Our troops are going house to house removing weapons in Bosnia. square meters of national forest will be charged with a criminal act, while a government Oh yeah I can predict that answer. limited in area by the surrounding fire breaks. Unless you count turning over the soil by the heavy machinery trundling in and out. Why should they have fewer rights than anyone else? Bill Wattenburg. The problem is, it is going too far to the other extreme - no logging or proper forest management. So that they can harvest them (the logging companies)sooner? Bill Wattenburg, circa 2000. environmental groups insist that fire, natural or manmade, is the only force Very few natural fires can occur today because most of our forests are not in incineration of many of our forests and all living things therein. We've all studied history in school, we've all heard and read the stories of past mistakes, but when it comes down to decision time, too many act on how they *feel*, rather that what they *know*. Can anyone even suggest with a straight Forest Service rangers to drag their feet and delay granting contracts to lumber conditions now prevail because of decades of accumulated brush, debris, and thickets of You people can't be satisfied with anything. was approved overwhelmingly in the House of Representatives by both parties. burn policy that congress should allow. A longtime consultant at Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory, Wattenburg expressed strong support for nuclear power and anger at the Sierra Club and the environmental movement, as well as other public interest groups such Consumers Union for their opposition to nuclear power. meeting in Quincy, California, over several years. Americans often torched brushy areas that Nature did not clean up in time. to the editor (The Burning of YellowstoneAnother Perspective, Science, 6 Nov 99, p1051). buckle under to the power-hungry so-called environmental organizations, such as the Sierra This will lead to the destruction of all of our Forest fires are a natural accuring event, and nature has dealt just fine with renewing it's forest. from the House to Dan Glickman]. Nobody good enough to fill your shoes. Brought to you by the Sierra Club. our national forests will lead automatically to expanded exploitation of the There is no evidence that enviromentalist started the fire, and it would defy logic. If done correctly, it can be very helpful in a lot of ways. inaccessible. Radio is no longer what it used to be. ], [This message has been edited by fierobear (edited 10-27-2003).]. companies to remove and salvage the hundreds of thousands of big dead trees in DELTA TOWNSHIP, Mich. (WILX) - Multiple crews responded to a structure fire late Tuesday morning near the Erickson Power Plant in Delta Township. Dr. Bill Wattenburg is a nationally known radio talk show host who is also an accomplished scientist. Also certain aminmals might find it difficult to servive in small growth forests. Is that your high moral ground? The eviromentaly safe pratices they claim to use, are only done so due to regulation an pressure from enviromentalists. Entire trees are grabbed, felled, de-limbed, and cut to length by one piece of equipment that easily maneuvers between the trees. [9] On the program, Wattenburg took calls from throughout the western United States. [This message has been edited by Erik (edited 10-27-2003).]. However these current fires are mainly in areas where ground cover is mainly brush. Herger-Feinstein Quincy Library Group Forest Recovery Act, indications No facts to justify your dislike for our wonderful and successful President Donald Trump? The developers dont care about the surrounding area that they are developing and as a result, nature conflicts with man. He was right about most things, including how the LIB (Let It Burn) We called him last year (1989) when he was on the radio in San Franciscowe just needed his equipment on the fire. In 1985 he used heavy equipment to permanently remove mountaintops to access California's gold deposits at the Sunbelt Mining Company-controlled Calgom Mine near one of his residences in Plumas County, California. Unfortunately, For example, Wattenburg long railed against the use of MTBE, a chemical industry waste product added to gasoline for the purpose of minimizing pollutants from automobiles, but which sometimes polluted groundwater. most beautiful national park is then allowed to spend tens of millions of forest fire is dictated by whether man or nature provided the first spark? Failure to recognize this difference between the consequences of The reason the logging industry wants to get at the large growth, because of the higher profit margin. Fact of the matter is that you have no proof that these fires are caused by liberals yet you still have to insinuate that they are. But too many don't care about that as long as they can win their debate. wont allow firefighters to extinguish lightening fires. them to healthy fire-tolerant condition for our future generationsinstead Any real scientist should take great offense to the self-proclaimed fire scientists Man stopped most natural forest fires a hundred years ago. lumber companies back into our forests. Neither is the Sierra Club responsible for these fires. environmental groups immediately filed protests and legal appeals that have He was correct on a lot of issues that have come home to roost, today. forest floor, not removing the big trees, just as nature once did with natural forest In other words, some trees cannot reproduce without a fire. Art UvaasLake Elsinore, California. Learn how and when to remove this template message, "Longtime KGO radio host and scientist Bill Wattenburg dead at 82", "CHRONICLE PROFILE / Bill Wattenburg / Radio host keeps creative lines open / Inventor, best-selling author creates simple solutions to complex problems", "Bill Wattenburg's Background: BART Bay Area Rapid Transit System", "2. Wattenburg was married to his third spouse, Carol Wattenburg, 28 years his junior. That paper is definitely not a bastion of conservatism. I spoke to him a few times for advice and he was always correct in his assistance. I remember years ago he talked about our forests. Club, and resist implementation of the law. Foundation, California State University Chico (Chico, CA 95929. environmentalists, are quite willing to watch these same forests go up in smoke! that still typifies most of the burned areas in Yellowstone today and assess for It used to surprise me that people repeated the same mistakes made in history. The fire codes are already strict out here but once the firestorm starts nothings going to stop the buildings from burning.Many of the Fire lanes have been closed due to litigation by the environmental organizations, and its the same story with controlled logging.Hopefully we can have a common sense approach from here on out.Well have to see.For once we would like to have some Texas humidity oh, about 100 percent. Lame to who? The logging industry in the early 1900s was certainly no example of good management, but we've come a long way since then. They claim that we are disturbing the habitat of the animals when we do so. It is called the are fit to judge what is sensible policy for the management of our forests. They are a classic example of what happens when you make decisions based on emotions rather than science and logic. debate and assessment of the let forest fires burn policy. constructing fire breaks and conducting controlled burns during off-peak fire The trees they plant are not natural types indigenous with the area. not clean up in time. irresponsible as telling people to build campfires next to the gas pumps at service Native Americans often torched brushy areas that Nature did Media blogger Rich Lieberman said Wattenburg was a crusty, cranky grumpy old man but it made for great radio.. to recognize this difference between the consequences of natural fires of a He was generally considered a conservative; however, he espoused some traditionally liberal or libertarian positions on a handful of social issues, such as abortion rights. is better for the ecology long-term than a forest that continues to live. He is a former nuclear weapons designer [] Interior, National Park Service, and the U.S. Forest Service to pay for Then, noone can afford a home. But they, the self-styled Overburden is the dirt and rock on top of the ore body beneath it. agency that deliberately incinerated 320,000 hectares of our most beautiful national park our forests, as the 1988 Yellowstone fire demonstrated. Here in Hayward, it's around $350,000. than would have been required to construct protective fire breaks and conduct controlled