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I mean there was this one lady I remember and tough tomorrow. The species that once inhabited the Northeast, known as the eastern mountain lion, is now extinct. First off if the standard for an agency to go forward with the public and put out a press release that them outlines here their believers are going to say I told you they'd been here the whole time. If you believe you have seen a mountain lion and want to report it to NH Fish and Game, please contact the Wildlife Division at (603) 271-2461 or wildlife@wildlife.nh.gov to request an observation report form. Oh you saw him online. And Rick Van de Poll naturalist and founder of ecosystem management consultants of New England. We've met Fish and Game's BURDEN OF PROOF. It was in the spring flash kind of early summer and my wife looked at you look at the size of an adult bear and we were up in arms. We're gonna cue you up and bring into the program listeners in just a moment but I want to ask about the role that Mountain Lions play in the ecosystem we've been talking a lot about mountain lions traveling and being sort of hard to track as they move. Mountain lions don't usually travel more than 100 miles from where they are born. However the scarring on the trees did not and the angles were off. Patrick Tate: Well. But but I've also seen it cited the opposite way that look they're very secretive. There are corollaries in other states. These young males are tracking looking for mates and if they don't find a mate they just keep moving and moving and moving. Had great trees behind it beautiful ferns on the ground so it brought me down on the site and the ferns on the ground matched. So here we have you know a very qualified biologist who who found a print took a plaster cast found a scat send it to a university. Sam Evans-Brown: You know the North America had a number of large predator species when humans first arrived in the continent. Tell us your story. There's no attraction. So give us a call now. I had a resident in New Hampshire tell me a story of a mountain lion in the 1960s where a person who would come summer in New Hampshire and then live in a different part of the country in the winter had a trailer that was housing his mount line. Part II. So I hate the idea that there's some sort of upward you know downward pressure from the bosses saying Don't you know don't tell about the mountain lions because it'll scare away the tourists. To date, the Department has not received any verifiable evidence (photographic or DNA)of mountain lions existing in New Hampshire. So one thing I'd point out is we've been talking about situations with no evidence a number of them come in with photographs and yet what they fit what they description of the animal they saw and by the way I got a picture of what I saw. And they used to be this whole list of the different subspecies of mountain lion and it has since been reduced to just to the North American and the South American. And so maybe before I go to you recommend I ask you Patrick Tate is the standard too high. Patrick Tate: Well I've never seen an Easter cougar so I can't say when I've handled these 10 cougars and whatnot. And I think this is a really interesting story for a couple of reasons one is that it proves what Pat was saying which that basically from New York state where its traces was really picked up on a game camera around Lake George all the way down to Connecticut there was numerous. Give us a call if you have a question or comments or story about perhaps seeing a mountain lion here in New Hampshire. Peter Biello: Rick I believe you did mention that that they do leave carcasses up in the tree from time to time but are there any other species known in New Hampshire to do this on a regular basis. We rely on readers like you to support the local, national, and international coverage on this website. She is renowned for tracking. Peter Biello: Ok. The engineers Dan Colgan our senior producer is Allan Grimm. So I will just say this is a big reason why there have not been confirmed sightings I think is that the evidence required first. We're not in the woods. Peter Biello: When did you allegedly see a mountain lion. So the U.S. Forest Service Rocky Mountain Research Station has a database on mountain lion and they can identify. But you won't find evidence of their existence in paw prints in the snow or a deer carcass in a tree. So there's even debate about that very subject. So that's the specimen that you find going long distances. Peter Biello: So Patrick today Fish and Game no downward pressure on you to deny the existence at all costs of mountain lions here in New Hampshire. Peter Biello: This is NHK PR Good morning and HP are summer car raffle is back and now's the time to get your early bird tickets. GAP MOUNTAIN LIONS CLUB Fitzwilliam, New Hampshire (USA) District 44-N . So I've been convinced the whole time that I saw a big cougar plume or whatever you want to call it standing there in the road in Greenfield. You need you need either a really good photograph or you need you know fresh scat that can be sent to a lab out West that can they can be identified there. So I did a bunch of research and all the documentation I found was there art are not any pieces of DNA of Eastern online. They don't know the direction they're going. And I think a lot of folks would like them to be around. HOLDERNESS, N.H. (AP) Two of the known mountain lions in New Hampshire have spent their 15 years in close proximity to humans. So nowadays we think of this in the Northeast as crazy stuff that people have a mountain lion as a pet. Really appreciate you guys being here as well. He shifted gears in 2016 and began producing Outside/In, a podcast and radio show about the natural world and how we use it. His work has won him several awards, including two regional Edward R. Murrow awards, one national Murrow, and the Overseas Press Club of America's award for best environmental reporting in any medium. Think you've seen a mountain lion. They sent he sent his scent those two samples with his to Wyoming an unfortunate Fish and Game Commission there did not get a positive read on it but send it back to Central Michigan University where they did a nuclear micro satellite DNA analysis and found no significant difference between that scat and other scats that were tested from the Rocky Mountain region. Residents believe cougars still roam New Hampshire's forests. It was not a bobcat. There was no sign of it. We live around Cold Springs Campground and it was undeniably a mountain lion. I just don't understand the mechanism for how that would happen. It was some sort of a Lion Mountain Lion animal. Mountain lions when they show up they leave evidence. Caller: Oh yeah. Sue Morse: First and foremost if you have color or if you could see details of color look at the front of the face around the Pumas muzzle the muzzle itself is pure white. HOLDERNESS, N.H. (AP) Two of the known mountain lions in New Hampshire have spent their 15 years in close proximity to humans. So Michael follows with the question. Caller: It had just left that field and was out. So. Less successful males roam further. And there are thousands of mountain lions killed every year legally through hunting, and there have been untold tens of thousands of mountain lions killed by hunters over the last hundred years, says Mark Elbroch, the Puma Program Director for Panthera, a global wild cat conservation organization, So even the folks who live with mountain lions still have a fancy and see something thats not there to me thats incredible.. All of that remains unanswered but it is an extremely interesting question. But before I go any further I want to say we do not have sufficient game. There have been several sightings of mountain lions in New Hampshire recently. Second when I when they did forward it from Wyoming to to Michigan you know this was coming right from sample 18 and 19 had no remarkable differences from known mountain lions from Michigan or Wyoming. New Hampshire Public Radio | Okay. So. Like why would you want one wildlife. So hard to know hard to refute if there's no interest in making up a story which many people of course do then I would respond the same way as Pat did. Peter Biello: Yeah well what do you think Pat is. So I certainly can't dispute anything that they said there's no evidence for me to go by to verify or say what my thoughts are on the situation. But having read a bit of information about his cougar there are a darker subspecies. But I was riding a mountain bike not far from my house. So so they're just a very resilient species and they're pretty they're pretty neat. Rick van de Poll: Well a report that you know as John Harrigan up north has in co-ops County for about 15 years I kept track of reports and people would call me and tell me where they saw the mountain lion they thought they saw it and it varied right from you know downtown villages all the way to remote highlands of the North Country and and everywhere in between. As recently as 2011 there was one young male mountain lion that cruised all the way from the black hills of South Dakota, up over the Great Lakes, down through New Yorkgetting spotted all. Caller: Yeah. So maybe a good pet for you but not for your neighbor if you just stop by unannounced. Rick van de Poll: Oh yeah absolutely. Want to report a Mountain Lion sighting in New Hampshire? Today she talked with us a little bit before the show about why the mountain line is so compelling and why we want it to be part of our world. From "History of New Hampshire Game and Furbearers" by Helenette Silver, Research Clerk, NH Fish and Game Dept. And I have to use that word allegedly because there is so much dispute about what people see and what they actually see. Think you've seen a mountain lion? Caller: Oh hi. Patrick Tate: So it's interesting it's brought up. So I think the point that I just want to get across is that there is a very strong sense this here in the and not region that there is that there is some sort of mountain lion population how large it is how extensive it is. Some of the reports that I looked into that were actually on file at the local fish and game office were even from people who did not live locally. But the state always denies it, and none of us know why they deny it. Residents from Bedford to Berlin have been reporting sightings for years. Give today. Nicholas Handy can be reached at 924-7172 ext. So take care of this problem. Caller: Are probably. They create these scrapes where theyre communicating with each other with scent. There was a lot of DNA evidence. How to Report a Possible Mountain Lion Sighting. Sam Evans-Brown: Pretty well I was going to say it is nice to hear about how to identify the facial markings but probably I'd being a to identify the tracks is probably the more useful useful tool that one can have in their tool box. Mountain lions ( Puma concolor) are one of the six native species of wild cats in North America. There have been several sightings of mountain lions in New Hampshire recently. So I think in that story there's there's something for the believers and the nonbelievers and I and you know Mark L. Brock is who is a gentleman with the cougar Network told me this story is evidence that that if they were here we would know about it.